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		<description><![CDATA[Mixing up Mixed Martial Arts By Garland H. Editor&#8217;s Note: I think Garland has done a good job and has really thought outside of the box in his written assignment for the MMA class at the U of U. I have left almost all of Garland&#8217;s writing intact, that is to say, I have only [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Mixing  up Mixed Martial Arts</span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">By Garland H.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Editor&#8217;s Note:</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>I think Garland has done a good job and has really thought outside of the box in his written assignment for the MMA class at the U of U. I have left almost all of Garland&#8217;s writing intact, that is to say, I have only edited it in a minor way in order to be posted here. To sum up his whole paper, I use his words at the end of the essay:&#8221; I think that if the reader opens his or her mind and looks at things with open eyes, they will see the utility of sport techniques in the self defense and combatives arena, and traditionally combative strategies and techniques within the context of a sport framework.&#8221; &#8211; Bart<br />
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<p>Kali Tudo 1<br />
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<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Kali Tudo 2</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Introductory Note:<br />
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<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">I have written this editorial  piece with the intention of opening people’s minds and helping shut  down preconceived ideas about what belongs or does not belong in a mixed  martial arts fight. I want the reader to keep in mind throughout this  article that MMA is just a modern term for a certain type of pugilistic  competition that incorporates striking and grappling, and does not necessarily  preclude the supplementation of other arts to the thus far tried and  true arts that comprise the personal styles of individuals fighting  in mixed martial arts competitions today.  In a more holistic perception  of the wide-world of fighting, I also want to plant the seeds in the  readers mind of where sportive techniques and techniques and tactics  for combative or defensive application overlap in each other’s domain  and pose to them a question; if something works, is it wrong?   I have written what I believe to be true, I have trained in the Filipino  Martial Arts for a few years but I do not consider myself an expert  on these subjects.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">The  Filipino Martial arts are notorious for their combative applications,  especially in regard to the use of knives and edged weapons and impact  weapons such as sticks, batons, baseball bats, and so forth. Indeed  the art of Pekiti Tirsia Kali as taught by Grandmaster Leo T. Gaje,  Jr. and his son, Rommel is trained extensively by the Phillipines military,  and has expanded to include firearms training and anti-terrorism tactics.  Martial arts movie fanatics can also probably recognize Guro Dan Inosanto  opposite his instructor in JKD and friend Sigung Bruce Lee in “Game  of Death” wielding and manipulating two sticks in a beautiful and  intimating show of skill and dexterity. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Perhaps  the most overlooked aspect of the Filipino arts are their empty hand  and grappling components that can be readily seen in panatukan (Filipino  boxing), sikaran (a kicking art) and dumog (wrestling).  These terms  are, for the most part, general nomenclature for ranges rather than  a particular subset of techniques, as Filipino systems are usually family  based and tend to systematize and organize their arts differently. Also  occasionally included under the broader umbrella topic of Filipino arts  are the Indo-Malaysian arts of silat and kuntao, of which there are  just as many family based arts, but are usually distinct from Filipino  systems in their movements to a discerning eye.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Perhaps  the most prolific and cutting-edge force in the Filipino Martial Arts  today is a group that has just recently been getting the coverage they  have long deserved. The Dog Brothers, currently lead by Guro Marc “Crafty  Dog” Denny, has in the past few years released material on incorporating  the Filipino Arts into different aspects of combat. They entered the  world of firearms training with an emphasis on training at the zero to five foot range where most “good guys” are killed by knife wielding  attackers along with firearms expert Gabriel Suarez in “Die Less Often”  and “Die Less Often II”  (see</span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;"> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill">Tueller’s drill</a> and  the<a href="http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/"> 21 foot rule</a></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">They have also been covered  by Discovery channel and MSNBC as well as other news programs for their  rather unique method of practicing what they preach in their maxim “higher  consciousness through harder contact.” – full contact stick fighting  with the aid of only a fencing mask and hockey gloves for protection.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6EZE_rmsQs" target="_blank"></a></span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">At  this point in my paper, you are probably wondering just what the hell  this has to do with Mixed Martial Arts. Well, the Dog Brothers are coming  out with their second feature on using the Filipino martial arts in  mixed martial arts, which they have aptly dubbed and trademarked as  “Kali Tudo.”  The Dog Brother&#8217;s idea is to supplement what works in  the Filipino Martial arts in the context of mixed martial arts competition  or how to make it work in the cage along with more conventional mixed  martial arts techniques and strategies. As evidenced by their approach  of finding out exactly what works in a full contact stick fight, the  material in the first Kali Tudo tape is solid, and as with all of their  titles, the second title is sure to live up to the bill “if you see  it taught, you see it fought.” It is also important to state that  the current alpha dog of the Dog Brothers also worked closely with Jean-Jacques  Machado on developing grappling strategies with the stick different  from those seen in conventional Kali and is himself well versed in jiu-jitsu  as one can see in this highlight reel of his fights. (See this link for <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzU1b7ukeIU">Crafty Dog Highlights)</a></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">What  Works? (a rant)</span></strong></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Take  the average individual on the street and ask them the difference between  karate and kung fu and they will look at you as if you asked them the  square root of some random prime number. Better yet, ask them the difference  between mixed martial arts, jiu-jitsu, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu. The  average everyday person with little to absolutely no interest in the  martial arts does not make such distinctions or ruminate on martial  matters. On the other side of the coin, ask a tae kwon do practitioner  and a kyokushin karate fighter and ask each one whose kicks are “better”. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Although  it may be amusing to watch the ensuing carnage, the real moral of this  exercise is to bring to your attention the simple fact that talking  about martial arts among martial artists from different backgrounds  is like bashing Marx to a Communist, telling a Kantian philosopher that  the Categorical Imperative is “slave morality”, screaming God is  dead to a rabid fundamentalist, and talking trash about Manchester United  to a bald and burly soccer hooligan in their own stadium all at the  same time. You run the risk of trampling on something that another person  holds sacred, and it is extremely important to note that opinions are  just that unless backed by strong supporting evidence. Even then, it  is necessary to note that “absence of evidence is not evidence of  absence” in the world of martial arts.  When introducing an opinion  or idea that challenges the status quo of whatever a particular cult  of martial artists consider their dogma, respect is of the utmost importance.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">There  is a long-standing controversy in the martial arts world about how to  judge whether or not something is effective or practical by using a  “street fight” as the benchmark. According to this school of thought,  if something works “in the street” then it is the gold standard.  The individuals that tend to support this ideology come from combatives  or reality based self defense backgrounds and tend to tout the superiority  of eye gouging, fish hooking, biting, hair pulling, spitting, using  weapons improvised or otherwise, tail hooking (you really don’t want  to know), and essentially anything else you can’t really practice  with a partner over anything found to be effective in a sports arena.   The other school of thought tends to be the combat athletes who fight  competitively under strict sets of rules that stringently disallow these  types of techniques and look poorly upon individuals that use them (remember  the Holyfield-Tyson fight?), but actually practice their art on a non-compliant  opponent who is intent on doing them harm as well.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">The  main question I feel is important to ask is…what the hell is a “street  fight”? </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">The average everyday individual  is highly unlikely to ever be involved in any sort of serious violence  unless they live in Kingston, Sarajevo, Baghdad, or Kabul. The most  common type of fight that most average Americans are prone to witness  is a drunken brawl, which typically starts out with posturing and pushing,  escalates to a haymaker punch, followed in short order by an attempted  headlock and then the fight being broken up to the dismay of inebriated  bystanders. Less common, but certainly feasible is when one of the drunks  has some sort of weapon, or an entourage, which raises the stakes of  the situation to a life-or-death struggle. Both of these situations  could be easily avoided by being aware of your situation and then doing  the smart thing by beating feet in the opposite direction, or employing  well-honed communication strategies to disarm the situation verbally. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Using  violence even in a self-defense situation is tricky from a legal standpoint,  and using “too much” force, as decided by a vindictive state prosecutor  and ignorant arresting officers, could place you in prison regardless  of the true “objective correctness” of your response. I would simply  like the reader to consider this: Is it better to use potentially lethal  force and maybe live up to the maxim “better to be tried by twelve  than carried by six” or box it out, as it were, with an assailant  using high percentage “sport” techniques? Or…is it indeed better  to mix the two in order to have a toolbox with just the right instruments  for just the right occasion?  I think that if the reader opens  his or her mind and looks at things with open eyes, they will see the  utility of sport techniques in the self defense and combatives arena,  and traditionally combative strategies and techniques within the context  of a sport framework.</span></p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<p>Interesting comment on the The 21 foot rule -</p>
<blockquote><p>The 21 foot rule is not a law, or even really a rule: it is a study. The study tried to determine the distance at which an officer could fire two rounds at a subject that was charging at him with a knife.</p>
<p>The problem is, bullets do not act as a magic wand to stop a subject. Often, due to a determined mental state or the presence of narcotics, numerous rounds are required to stop a subject. Also, unlike the study, in real situations officers often do not know a subject has an edged weapon until the subject is in motion, or even after they have been stabbed.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdtUG_N07xU"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">What is Kali (from <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Kali  Means to Scrape</span>)</span></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvtusTnmcRQ"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;">Pekiti Tirsia Pitbulls (Recon  Marines) and Rommel Tortal (from <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Kali Means to Scrape</span>)</span></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0fPL4f3Eqc">Close Range Gun Combat Dog Brothers + Gabe Suarez</a></p>
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